Lull never sincerely engaged actual Muslim objections to the Trinity

Evidence

Marti cited the argument that one should consult the farmer about agriculture and the doctor about medicine; it is ironic that the failure to find out what Muslims themselves asserted to be their beliefs should have been characteristic of Christian polemic. — Norman Daniel, Islam and the West, 1439 (#corroborates, via linked claim)

Categorization

• XREF: connects to: Muslims rejected the Trinity as polytheism and carnal generation; Christian polemicists never consulted Muslims about actual Muslim beliefs — Norman Daniel, Islam and the West, 1439; Rational proofs of the Trinity never convinced informed non-Christian disputants (+7 more)

Related

• Christian polemicists never consulted Muslims about actual Muslim beliefs (similarity 0.90)
• Lull taught lay Christian merchants to prove the Trinity to Muslims (similarity 0.89)
• Lull pushed rational argument for the Trinity beyond medieval theological limits (similarity 0.88)
• Even Lull doubted laypeople could grasp his Trinitarian proofs (similarity 0.87)
• Scholarly polemic failed because it never spoke in terms Muslims could recognize (similarity 0.86)
• Lull argued Muslim monotheism was incomplete, not false, and only the Trinity proved it. (similarity 0.86)
• Rational proofs of the Trinity never convinced informed non-Christian disputants (similarity 0.85)
• Muslims rejected the Trinity as polytheism and carnal generation (similarity 0.84)
• Medieval polemicists distinguished what Muslims believed from what they only thought they believed. (similarity 0.82)
• Lull expected lay merchants to win theological debates with Muslims using Trinitarian syllogisms (similarity 0.82)
• Lull argued Islam was incomplete rather than false, implying the Christian creed (similarity 0.82)
• Medieval Christian polemicists understood Islam’s Trinity objection despite lacking sympathy (similarity 0.81)
• Lull equipped lay merchants to argue the Trinity against Muslims and Jews alike (similarity 0.81)
• Medieval Lull framed Muslim theological resistance as wilful stupidity (similarity 0.81)
• Medieval Christian polemic framed Islam as incomplete faith, not false one (similarity 0.81)

Broader Connections

• Christian polemicists never consulted Muslims about actual Muslim beliefs #corroborates (0.85) — Norman Daniel, Islam and the West, 1439
• Lull blamed Muslim rejection of his proofs on their obstinacy, not his method #expands (0.85)
• Rational proofs of the Trinity never convinced informed non-Christian disputants #corroborates (0.82)
• Lull pushed rational argument for the Trinity beyond medieval theological limits #expands (0.80) — Norman Daniel, Islam and the West, 980
• Medieval Christian polemicists understood Islam’s Trinity objection despite lacking sympathy #contradicts (0.80) — Norman Daniel, Islam and the West, 973
• Scholarly polemic failed because it never spoke in terms Muslims could recognize #corroborates (0.78)
• Aquinas refuted Islam without ever reading the Koran #corroborates (0.75) — John V. Tolan, Saracens, 1226
• Medieval Christian-Muslim disputation mostly argued from premises neither side shared #corroborates (0.72)
• Lull taught lay Christian merchants to prove the Trinity to Muslims #complicates (0.72)