Joseph Bryennius, a Byzantine theologian said, 'Let no one be deceived by delusive hopes that the Italian allied troops will sooner or later come to us. But if they do pretend to rise to defend…

Joseph Bryennius, a Byzantine theologian said, ‘Let no one be deceived by delusive hopes that the Italian allied troops will sooner or later come to us. But if they do pretend to rise to defend us, they will take arms in order to destroy our city, race, and name.’ The military aid of the Latin might push off the Ottoman threat, but this assistance would have far worse consequence than those the rule of the Ottomans would have. Indeed, the Latins would require doctrinal subordination and recognition of papal superiority.

Evidence

Joseph Bryennius, a Byzantine theologian said, “Let no one be deceived by delusive hopes that the Italian allied troops will sooner or later come to us. But if they do pretend to rise to defend us, they will take arms in order to destroy our city, race, and name.” 13 The military aid of the Latin might push off the Ottoman threat, but this assistance would have far worse consequence than those the rule of the Ottomans would have. Indeed, the Latins would require doctrinal subordination and recognition of papal superiority. — Ali Qureshi, The Fall of Constantinople, 36 (#corroborates, via linked claim)

We will now mention the councils of Basel and Florence where, in response to the looming Ottoman threat, the Orthodox and Latin churches attempted to reconcile. The Emperor, in particular, saw this agreement as necessary to ensure survival. 14,15 In order to resist the onslaught of the Ottomans, he required external help, but the Papal forces and the aid of the Latin West would only come through a theological union. The Pope offered his help to the Byzantine Emperor, but only on condition they submit and agree to credal compromise. 16 In light of this hope, a council was called for, first in Basel and later in Ferrara and finally moved to Florence. During the council, three chief doctrinal issues were discussed, the issue of filioque clause, unleavened bread, and papal authority. — Ali Qureshi, The Fall of Constantinople, 37 (#corroborates, via linked claim)

By presenting their views, I hope to show the Ottomans were perceived as a fatal end, but not the worst outcome possible. Orthodox authorities perceived an invasion by the Latins as worse, for they would not afford them autonomy which might be hoped under Muslims. The land might remain under Christian rule, but the Orthodox churches would have to yield to papal supremacy. While the Muslim conquest might lead to a change of the head of state, the churches would not be forced to make any doctrinal changes or alter their church hierarchy. — Ali Qureshi, The Fall of Constantinople, 26 (#corroborates, via linked claim)

Categorization

• corroborated: 6 independent passages support this claim
• XREF: connects to: The schism within Christianity was perceived as a greater threat than that of a foreign invasion; the Orthodox were relatively receptive towards having the Ottomans as material rulers in contrast to the Latins.; Orthodox authorities perceived an invasion by the Latins as worse, for they would not afford them autonomy which might be hoped under Muslims. The land might remain under Christian rule, but the Orthodox churches would have to yield to papal supremacy. While the Muslim conquest might lead to a change of the head of state, the churches would not be forced to make any doctrinal changes or alter their church hierarchy.; In an effort to oppose the Ottomans, Enea Silvio Bartolomeo Piccolomini (the future Pope Pius II) tried to exhort all Christians to mount an offensive against the Ottomans. Like the crusades, some hoped Christian polities would look past their differences and come to the aid of the Orthodox Byzantine Christians in this dire hour. Another figure was King George of Kunštát and Poděbrady of Bohemia who—seeing the Ottomans surround Constantinople—also tried to promote the idea of a Pan-Christian resistance to the onslaught of the Muslim forces. (+15 more)

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